Vintage T-Shirt Forum & Community Authentication Appraisals

jimmyj wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:00 pm The Made in China Brockum does not mean it's fake, I know many people think that.

What's the pit to pit though I think the one you added is a typo....or it's basically a square.

jimmyj wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 3:28 pm Whoa, so that makes zero sense. 27" pit to pit - so it's a 54" inch chest? for an M, in the 90s?

Likely a tag install, check the back and where the tag is for tampering.

jimmyj wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 4:41 pm Looks like some odd thread activity in that back part, but pretty well done. I can't think of any other explanation for that measurement with that tag, and based on that chest measurement alone, I could never pass this.

Who even makes a 27" chest t-shirt to this day?

jimmyj wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:22 pm I am hearing a lot of nightmare stories about eBay / PayPal not refunding buyers for fake tees.

Can you tell me a bit more about what each of them are saying?

jimmyj wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 5:42 pm Ya definitely call and reopen. Get them on the phone let us know what happens. We have another person reporting that they just look for any loopholes they can to avoid refunds. I think with PayPal you have up to 180 days right? Is the seller on IG?

jimmyj wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 9:50 am Use this thread.

- The chest measurement, at 27", is impossible for a t-shirt that purports to be from the 1990s, especially since it's labeled as an M, which rarely goes beyond 20" pit to pit.

Here is a database of legit Brockum tags they can compare the chest sizes:

https://www.defunkd.com/brand/brockum/

In the field of t-shirt authentication, we don't really need to go beyond the simple test above, as it failed instantly, and suggests that someone installed a genuine tag into a reproduction t-shirt in order to trick potential customers.

But, for the sake of argument, I also compared the print and it's a terrible reproduction.

Then I consulted an Sonic Yout expert who runs: https://www.instagram.com/soniclife.archive/
(and is also a vintage t-shirt expert), here is his response:

"Fake. It’s not even a good boot. That green stain [at the bottom of the print] comes an original shirt it’s a scan."

This is, without a shadow of a doubt, a counterfeit t-shirt.

Glz01 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2024 2:55 pm I have my doubts but I need confirmation on this shirt. Seller refuse to refund and unfortunately I’ve waited over 30 days on PayPal to report it as ”not as described”

eBay seller refuse to refund.

However. Here’s picture of the shirt. I’m convinced it’s fake but would appreciate some second opinions. Thank you

27 x 28

jimmyj wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 3:11 pm Sorry to hear. I keep hearing story after story about eBay siding with corrupt sellers.

How long ago did you buy it?

Spotted a few other fakes among their stuff.

Do you want us to cover it on IG? Do you have screenshots of their official reply, ignoring the fact that it's been deemed a fake?

jimmyj wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 5:27 pm That's ridiculous, so the person shipping can put a pile of poop in an envelope, and if it shows as delivered, everything is ok? They don't honor items not described?

Maybe the sellers has the upper hand, I see they have stuff set to no returns. I recently started selling again on eBay and was surprised to see that's an option for sellers.

I can't remember, did you get them on the phone?

Can you go to eBay? this is linked from the "Seller doesn't accept returns"

https://pages.ebay.com/buyer-protection/m-app-ebp.html

jimmyj wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2024 5:27 pm That's ridiculous, so the person shipping can put a pile of poop in an envelope, and if it shows as delivered, everything is ok? They don't honor items not described?

Maybe the sellers has the upper hand, I see they have stuff set to no returns. I recently started selling again on eBay and was surprised to see that's an option for sellers.

I can't remember, did you get them on the phone?

Can you go to eBay? this is linked from the "Seller doesn't accept returns"

https://pages.ebay.com/buyer-protection/m-app-ebp.html

jimmyj wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 1:47 pm Oh, I thought that was another person's feedback.

The Ozzy tattoo shirt that's up in their listings is fake. This is a case of sprinkling in fakes among real stuff to throw people off.

Interesting, so the clock is ticking with eBay, have to report quickly or then it reverts to PayPal who almost always screw people and say no. I have another user reporting similar stuff on IG, saying that no matter what proof he provides, it's fake, they don't care.

Sorry to hear man, I'm trying to think on a IG post about all of these experiences, to give people the heads up - so I might check back in.

Did you pay a lot?

jimmyj wrote: ↑Mon Oct 21, 2024 5:05 pmshite.