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Re: Case Study: Harley Davidson Champion Shirt

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I have bought repro jeans, souvenir jackets from "crazzyfreddy" in the past and he has delivered... he's a good seller - but you definitely need to know what your buying, his negatives come from people assuming and not knowing their stuff and/or reading carefully - if it seems too good to be true... it probably is - CAVEAT EMPTOR!!!

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I disagree - he's not a "good seller." :x

Yes he peddles true garments too, but I don't think doing any business with vintage terrorists is a good idea. It was only recently that Fred started listing the shirts as reproductions - and the prices he's getting are based on misleading bidders. You should not have to read carefully to find out an item isn't actually vintage - it shouldn't be listed as vintage and it should have REPRO in the TITLE. Bidders are assuming he's selling vintage because of the other items in his store and his past transactions.

Shysters like these guys can't be trusted. They're hurting the vintage market - why support them? We've been digging around about them, it's not just fake t-shirts they are selling - so if you've got an embroidered souvenir/tour/car jacket that you thought was vintage - think again.

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Re: Case Study: Harley Davidson Champion Shirt

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How expensive could it be to buy an sewing machine that does proper overlock stitching?
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They are pretty standard these days and not that expensive - when we were doing DIY for women my seamstress had one. Whom ever is creating these (we've been told it's a Japanese guy in Thailand) I'm sure he has a full-on production line.
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I have a Thai customer (distributor) who makes the t-shirts himself(buys the poly cotton cloth and then stitches the shirts to match screenstars, etc), he makes his own tags and he can do multicolor prints. These other guys get lazy and skip one of the steps along the way.
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Sounds like a lucrative trade. That shirt posted above with disclaimers and all sold for $88. Unbelievable!

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He thinks it's okay because he puts "repro" in the listing. These bidders are just as dumb - we can't blame this on a language barrier - he only ships to the US. Are they just not reading it and assuming it's vintage? Or are they actually OK with it being a bootleg? I mean it is pretty clear in the listing - in bold red letters. If he was a real man he would put it in the listing title and remove "vintage".

I'm reporting it to eBay again now.
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Perhaps it is a clever money laundering operation? ;)

Otherwise I cant see why anyone would pay so much for such a poorly printed piece. I think i cut better screens in my high school graphics class.

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If you thought the Champion fakes were only Blue Bars on ringer tees....think again. Nice touch on fraying them too....

http://www.ebay.com/itm/270788774805

And all of this coming from a guy who typically deals genuine stuff and is in the business. Sad.
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Re: Case Study: Harley Davidson Champion Shirt

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Seems like a lot of work creating these fakes just to list them for $60.00 but I guess if you get good at making them it becomes a volume thing.

Sell 16 of them at $60.00 and bam! You just made a $1,000.00.

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Yup - and he was getting $100-300 quite regularly - probably scoops them up for $15 each.
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Re: Case Study: Harley Davidson Champion Shirt

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This might be a naive question, but can his listings be reported (even the ones that say "repro") if the tags themselves still say "Made in the USA"? He says that he only ships to the US, aren't there laws about misrepresenting a country of origin?

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Re: Case Study: Harley Davidson Champion Shirt

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Lots of reasons to report it....mostly mis rep. and intellectual rights...counterfeit...none of which ebay takes seriously unless its harley or champion who engage in their vero system.
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