Defunkd

[jimmyj]

Yup, I studied TPs purchases for quite some time and just before their fall I noticed they purchased a RUN DMC/Beasties Together Forever t-shirt for $400 through their selling account. For me it was the nail in the coffin for believing the stories about their printing operation. I'm sure it was planned the mint shirt would be used to create bootlegs and that $400 would come back many times over. However their operation crumbled and I don't think it ever went in to mass production.

Low and behold -

http://cgi.ebay.com/vintage-1980s-RUN-D ... 1e5962cc4e" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I would even wager that's the exact one I saw them buy years ago. Rainbow has one up but it looks legit and isn't a small mint screen stars. It's also a pretty tough shirt to duplicate given it's a photo and probably has way too many intricate color separations to pull off convincingly.

Good ol' TP. I never understand guys like them. They put so much hard work in to ripping people off. Use your powers for good, not evil, or one day...

[Frank]

I think you're a bit generous on that model's height. He's probably more towards the Ronnie James Dio end of the spectrum.

[hermosavtg]

Is that the tinypony model? I'm confused!

Anyway, I spotted this fine dandy at the flea market last Sunday. Looked good at first but something was fishy. The shirt had a faded tag, but everything else was perfect, no stains, etc. The print was pristine. I have a hard time trusting a vintage t-shirt (especially a HARLEY t-shirt) with nearly no signs of age. Something just felt off. Then the seller went down from his asking price of $100 down to $50 when i offered $40... fishy! I asked around and apparently the seller had been selling identical tee's for a while, definitely a fake:

[Frank]

Yeah, Ronnie James Emo up there was TP's model ahhahahaha

[jimmyj]

I just had someone post this on my YouTube eBay video - I'm betting it's retaliation from one of the bootleggers - their YouTube account was registered today.

"rip off. he has these designs printed. notice the stack of shirts that is set down that all of them are the same? And none of them look worn at all. several of these design he has many of. these are not shirts off someones back, they are out of the printshop. ebay scam artist of the year!"

[CRAZYBUBBA]

It's not necessarily a bootlegger. People fear what they don't understand. I've gotten my fair share of insidious comments.

[jimmyj]

Comments made from an account that was registered the same day...and has no other activity...are always suspect.

[jimmyj]

Looks like Tiny Pony Vin....er sorry Academy "Vintage" Clothiers is in full swing. All those classic TP crisp jerseys with no tag...

http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?LH_Auction= ... 11.c0.m301" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[TrickyGuns]

I really like this thread, i think it's super helpful. Could we maybe get a sticky of a materlist of fake sellers at the top that could be added to once the board definitly weighs in that they're selling bootlegs (wither it be all or some)

[jimmyj]

Darn good idea. I'll work on that..I'm doing an update to the forum shortly.

In other news...here's a guy who prints on vintage tees...add him to the list:

silvertrainvintage

http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d ... world=true" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

[hermosavtg]

I didnt know that Urban Outfitters was selling t-shirts in the 1970's http://cgi.ebay.com/vintage-1970s-MOTT- ... 0372583312

A bunch of obvious 90's repro t-shirts with "1970's vintage" in the listing title:

http://cgi.ebay.com/VTG-1970S-BLACK-SAB ... 0556797173" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://cgi.ebay.com/VTG-1970s-DAVID-BOW ... 0373598586" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://cgi.ebay.com/VTG-1970S-BETTE-MID ... 0373178796" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://cgi.ebay.com/vintage-1970s-GRATE ... 0556775936" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

from the sellers "me" page:
"Why go to the mall and waste your money on a "vintage" knockoff...WHEN YOU CAN JUST BUY THE REAL VINTAGE STUFF FROM US HERE AT SILVERTRAIN VINTAGE....."

[jimmyj]

How do these people sleep at night?!

Well, it's not working out so well for them....everything sells for $6. Still cheaper than buying a real repro at the mall.

[Frank]

I contacted that seller
My message: That Mott the Hopple shirt is a reprint-made by Urban Outfitters a few years back.

Seller's Response:you are crazy!! i have never bought clothing at outfitters ever
b4...i bought this from a vintage owner that i know fro years
ago..do you want his name, address and phone number so you
can get yourself hooked up with some cool clothing...get a life i
heard they are on sale at k-mart..


- silvertrainvintage

[TrickyGuns]

Note the amazing grammar. What is this kid, 12?

[Frank]

His MySpace page says he's 42.

[jimmyj]

I heard they are on sale at K-Mart. Best burn ever!! (If you're 8 years old).

There's a vintage shop here in Toronto that sells true vintage but if they ever come across blanks at a mill they just print retro stuff on them. Same thing, simple one color prints. Maybe he's a dummy and doesn't realize it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... 0368241375" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Plus he's got multiples of the same print on different brands and colors of t-shirts...red flag.

Best part is

And we are working on opening a store in our area as well....ALSO MAKING A WEBSITE IN THE NEAR FUTURE FOR ALL YOUR VINTAGE NEEDS.

Thank god, our prayers have been answered.

[Frank]

When people protest too much, it's definitely a tip off. If someone told me that a shirt was a reprint, I'd say "thanks for the heads up" and change my listing unless I could prove it was vintage.

[CRAZYBUBBA]

I'd love to see who he his imaginary supplier is.

[hermosavtg]

If he's printing them himself he's printing them on some shabby thrift store looking blanks from the late 90's.

[Frank]

that's exactly what he's doing. seems akin to spending $1.50 to counterfeit a dollar.

[jimmyj]

Here's a Rainbowgasoline related blog comment:

http://www.defunkd.com/2009/01/12/can-y ... e-t-shirt/"

Paul Evans Says:
August 16th, 2010 at 11:42 am

I bought one of these Black Flag shirts from rainbowgasoline a while back and noticed another one had been posted up. If this shirt isn’t a phony, I don’t know what is, frankly. The screen printing is raised and too-good-of-new-to-be-true. I have sent the seller a polite and genteel Q informing him of my suspicions, but so far, no answer. I think someone took a pile of period-correct Screen Stars shirts and silkscreened a Pettibon flyer on the suckers. If it were genuine, why wouldn’t the seller be charging out the roof for it, given that he clearly knows what the value of the real deal would potentially be?

[jimmyj]

Spoofing champion. I haven't seen any of the original Mahagamage tags since the Tiny Pony era. Beware, Mahagamage obviously models their stuff after true vintage so this jersey could be used for evil.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?Vi ... TQ:US:1123

[wax&thread]

Before reading this thread, I was looking at some of AC listings and was a bit suspicious. I simply asked if a shirt was original and about the tag, but received no answer. I decided to bid anyway and just take the risk only to find they had blocked me from bidding on their items. Guess they work on a "don't ask don't tell" policy.

[jimmyj]

Yipppp - they were still running the humpty t-shirts through their account two years after we confirmed they were bogus. They have no shame. Tiny Pony in disguise.

[hermosavtg]

A classic mahagammage knock off not only evidenced by the tag with the name, but by the piss poor screen print job. I think I made better ones in high school graphics class.